Monday, March 26, 2007

you are not my sheep

In the book of John Jesus is talking to a crowd in chapter 10 and Jesus says in verse 26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep". Now if that were written today by most evangelist it would say " you are not my sheep because you do not believe". There is a major difference between these two statements mainly that one is right and one is wrong and of course Jesus is right. It is not that you believe and then you become His sheep. Could it be that we are predestined to be His sheep and that is why we have believed. John 10:15 says "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep." Could it also be that only God's wrath toward the sheep was satisfied on the cross. Think about it, if God's wrath toward all men for all time was satisfied,knowing what satisfied means,then no one would go to hell but God's wrath has not been fully satisfied has it? God sovereignty goes beyond Him just knowing all things it is that He is directly involved in making everything happen. Our God is awesome and our doctrines about His salvation are very weak and we must be very careful. I am not doing away with will i am simply saying this " God regulates all the movements of men so that they still have the exercise of their will" I know that this is not fully conceivable. I want to know what you think.

8 comments:

J.C. said...

i don't really understand how you came to this conclusion from these verses. The context i believe is after the analogy that Christ gave. they were at dinner and they were like just tell us straight up if you are God or not and Jesus was like i told you, but you don't believe because you are not my sheep.i don't understand where you are drawing a conclusion from also you should look at verse 16 because i think that is the most interesting verse of the passage that you didn't even touch on. I think that Jesus is bluntly pointing out that they have it wrong they don't know God because they don't believe that its Him which is pretty obvious they think that its a man not from God. Im kinda confused by this post to be honest i don't exactly know what you are saying. sorry i probably didn't help at all.

J.C. said...

also its talking about people who choose not to believe and not people who believe but are not sheep. Talking to the Jews at this time. also a remark on how He is the only way to Heaven viewed as a door.

jeff hill said...

i truly believe that the key to understanding this passage is verse 26. Jesus was always intentional about what He said. He said "you do not believe because you are not of my sheep" not " you are not my sheep because you do not believe" and there is a major difference between the two. I think it is super cool. Just look at what that means.

Josh said...

Let's look at the characteristics of His sheep:
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. I and My Father are one."

It doesn't say when God the Father gave Jesus His sheep.

J.C. said...

I must not understand your revealation i don't really get it at all. Maybe me and you understand the same thing but we just haven't bridged the gap i don't know. my head hurts.

J.C. said...
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J.C. said...

i think i get it now man my brain hurts

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